Through the cajoling
of The Ferret, I have decided to build a staic recurve osage online. Hope
it works
:-) Come see
and offer suggestions as you see fit.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 26-Jan-00
John,these are fun bows to build,and the early draw weight will impress you.
What is your
draw lenth,and weight???.Remember that these bows have VERY stressed limbs
in that
on 62" bow you
only have 21" of working limb.I have made several with out backing,as heavy
as
70#,but the
all wood static should be backed,for ultimate preformance,and durability.
Sinew is best,and
easiest to apply.I will posts some pics of a couple I have built.I think
every serious
bowyer should
build one of these bows.They are time consuming,but they are the fastest
things going in
all wood,many
of them if designed well enough will out shoot glass recurves of the same
weight.
Choose your BEST,clearest
wood for the job.I have a jig made from a 6x6 block that I use to steam
my
ends.Remember
to work the belly side of the bend to a finished ring,and leave it thick,and
wide until the
bends are made,and
straightened.Avoid dry heat,opting for steam.
Also go as short
as you can.If you are pulling a full 28" 64 is ok,but I pull 27" and find
60" sweet,but that
is me.
Good luck my
freind!!!!!!!,and I will be watching....bill
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 26-Jan-00
Bill,
I look forward
to your pictures. I pull 26" and am shooting for 60-65#. This isn't the
clearest wood but
it's OK. Thin
ringed though. About 18 per inch. Ratio of late to early wood is about
1:1.
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 26-Jan-00
John,
I like your gloves....
I'll try to make a copy of my static form tonight. I'll email tomorrow.
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 26-Jan-00
Well that's OK John,if you back it.I mean you can try it unbacked,but it's a little risky at that weight.
On thing I forgot,if you do back it you should string it first,to get proper string alignment in the grooves.
I tell ya what,at
that weight,if it turns out you will be casting some serious speed.......bill
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 26-Jan-00
Ok John, this
is what I've been waiting for. I want clear crisp photos now...lots of
close ups. Especially
your form and
heating and bending. BTW What's with the lab coat and prophalactics on
your
fingers?????Big
Straight Bill and WillMo are great teachers having a lot of experience
with the statics.
I'm not going
to able to guide you with this one (like you'd take my advice ha ha ha
ha)
Man you guys
get good looking pieces of Osage.I'm so jealous.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 26-Jan-00
John,
Another thing..
Be real careful with that heat gun trying to get these statics bent. I
would experiment a
few times. Or
steam it for 45min. Are the tips 1/2" thick and on the same growthring
Back and Belly?
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: pablo/MA
Date: 26-Jan-00
View pablo/MA's Supporting Photo
I posted a couple
photos of a tip boiling job- ash is first string when it comes to heat
bending without
probs. Check
the "MFRosa, bow, steaming pics" thread for more. Here's my clamp job.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 26-Jan-00
Heck Mickey,
Bill has forgotten as much as I know about statics.. The most important
thing to know
about Statics,
is that everyone will notice your bow at MOJAM.. ;-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: pablo/MA
Date: 26-Jan-00
By the way, John-
is that the way that the grain ran (straight) or is that sawn out? Nice
looking stave!
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 26-Jan-00
Did I miss something
Will??.John,please say you ain't using a heat gun:}:}:}:}.Man the guy who
taught
me statics took
a short cut,against my advise,and had a beautiful bow with several hundred
shoots
under it explode
at the static.
First time he,and
I ever had an osage bow give.A pan of boiling water will do the trick,and
quicker,and
safer.
Just some advise
pal.........bill
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 26-Jan-00
But I can't steam
it here at work!!!!!! Maybe I'll do it tonight at home????? Save me $25
on a heat gun
too :-) Hmmm???
I guess you'll find out tomorrow.
Paul, that's
sawn. Kerfed as in Dean's HOB.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 26-Jan-00
Bill, Just meant
that you have built many, many statics and I've only built the one... In
fact, you got me
kick started
on building mine.. Thanks...
John, You may need a heat gun to line up the statics after you steam them..
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 26-Jan-00
John,do you have
a coffee pot at work?....hehehe
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 26-Jan-00
Hey Will,I have forgotten more than I know hehehe.
Your too kind
my freind,but I will never turn down a plug at this point in my life:}:}:}.You
guys keep me
smiling.
......bill
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 26-Jan-00
"I have forgotten
more than I know"....Bill, I hear that! 8~)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: GAS
Date: 26-Jan-00
something wrong
with that shop John... Where the heck are the yeller chips and saw dust...
Looked all
through them
pictures and didn't see any... Now you ought to see my shop floor... It
don't leave no
doubt about
what I been doing. Oh well maybe you got a broom or something... I keep
meaning to get
me one. Looks
like your doing great. good luck on the static... garry..
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 27-Jan-00
Well, the jury
is still out on dry heat, steam, or boiling. Give me some more input. I
think I'm gonna have
to steam this
thing anyways to get rid of some of the snakes. I just can't see it lining
up as it is. I'll likely
break out the
steam tube this weekend and straighten her up. I'll see where I am then
and decide on the
way I want to
bend the tips.
Bill, do you boil or steam?
I have left the
tips 1" wide with the thought that after I bend them, I can line them up
easier that way. I
read through
TBB last night and really don't have a good feel for what I'm trying to
accomplish by lining
them up. I'm
assuming that we try to get the tips and the handle in the same plane...right?
So that
nothing goofy
happens on drawing the thing and then releasing the arrow?
I made the bow
1" shorter so it is 63" NTN going for 60# @ 26". I haven't decided what
the belly
should look
like. I have fallen in love with Torges tillering method and love the looks
of a rounded belly
and slim limbs.
Since this is going to be a relatively long static, should I fear for the
ability of the shorter
working limbs
to withstand the pressure and avoid set? I am going to induce about 2.5"
of set with the
steaming this
weekend. I really don't want to back the thing but will if you all think
it needs it. Can I put
rawhide intead
of sinew....please?????
The way I got
it figured, we have 16.5" of non working limb - 3.5" handle + 2X2.5" dips
+ 8" of recurve
- so that leaves
us with 46.5" of limbs to do the work. Am I thinking right? Is that enough
to handle it
without backing?
Gottagofornow,
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Armadillo
Date: 27-Jan-00
Will-MO; I've
seen that neat little static osage you made, and I see that you only made
one. So...you
are either very
good making such a fine bow on your first static try, or very lucky. True
test is to make
another one.
Maybe for a nice guy who travels a lot....
John...really appreciate the on-line approach. Love the pictures, so much more information!
Rick
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Big Straight Bill
Date: 27-Jan-00
John,I boil the
ends for about an hour,then place in the form and slowly bend,aligning
the tip with the
stave.The important
bend is the second one.That is where alignment is made,
By going wide
you avoid twist,and make alignment easy.Yes you can use rawhide.I mean
you can go
unbacked.I have
done it with success,but remember the added insurance of sinew will give
you a bow
that will live
for decades.
Here is my reason
for suggesting a sinew back.I personally would not build a heavy osage
bow that
was only 51"
long. A 63" static,with 6" ears is just that.If you got the time and the
wood GO FOR
IT,worse thing
that can happen is you get to build a new one.
Not a bad option
huh...hehehe......Post back later,work ya know:}...................bill
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
Bill,
If you boil the
tips, how long do you need to wait for it to dry before you can start working
it again??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 27-Jan-00
John, Sorry I
didnt get a chance to trace that pattern. Maybe at lunch, I'll go home.
The patter is similar
to the pattern
in TBB that Baker made and doesnt require a band of metal. The keeping
the belly as
one ring in
the static area is critical during the steaming process. I have used the
form with dry heat, but
only to bend
the tips a little, not a full static.
Joe Mattingly
uses dry heat, but his aren't what I would call the real deal static. The
string never makes
contact with
the limbs. His are nice, but I don't think thats what you are looking for.
You must be real
carefull with the dryheat. I wouldn't try it with a real static, maybe
a working recurve
or a little
tip bending, but nothing serious.. Steam for 45m to 1 hour with 1/2" thick
tips and you won't
have any trouble
at all.
Armadillo, Thanks..
It did turn out nice, didn't it. Build another.. Ha.. I wish I had time
to get into my
shop to clean
it. To actually have time to work in it is a few months away...
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 27-Jan-00
Will,
Don't sweat it,
I'm likely gonna use the same idea. I've got the tips to 1/2" and strapped
by rings on both
sides. I've
decided to use Bill's method, I think....:-)
I have to keep
my shop clean since it is actually at my workplace. You should see my shop/storage
shed at home.
Takes me half a day to move stuff out of the way so I can work. Dang kids
have too
many toys. I
don't have room for all mine :-)
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: DRT
Date: 27-Jan-00
John I have steam
heat at work and took a stab off it just for steaming bow staves. Run it
into a 3"
stainless steel
pipe with small holes on the end works great.Lance it depends on where
you put it. If left
inside probaly
ok after a few days but I wait a week and test with a moisture meter. Darren
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: DRT
Date: 27-Jan-00
John forgot to
mention thats a beautiful looking stave. Awful straight for osage sure
you didn't dye a
piece of ash
yellow? Darren
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
THNX DiRTy...
One more question...
sorry to take away from your thread John, but you got all the selfbowers
over
hear ya greedy
pig!!8^)....
Is 4 inches reflex
in the handle section TOO much for a Young/ELB style bow?? Puttin rawhide
on it
and haven't
cut any length from it yet, (still about 74" long) But can I get away with
that?? will some of
it pull out?
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Keith Deters
Date: 27-Jan-00
Lance,
I try to steam
reflex farther out towards the tips. By reflexing just the handle you sometimes
end up
with a handle
section that lies behind the limbs when strung. This makes the bow difficult
to shoot
accurately.
Kinda like a built in overdraw.
4" is a little
much for my liking. Best for you to try and see what you like.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: DRT
Date: 27-Jan-00
Lance what kind
of wood? I just built an elm with that much reflex in a stacked elb and
it kept @ 1
1/2". You have
to work some of the reflex out before stringing and it feels like a very
heavy bow until
some of the
set comes out. If the reflex is even thoughout both limbs I wouldn't bother
steaming. If it is
just in the
handle section steam it or will look like one of those Gull wings Quillian
used to sell. Darren
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
It's Osage. And
it's already steamed into the handle. The last one I done, I put on the
same jig, it was a
shorter bow.
Like a complete dummy, I didn't take into consideration that the longer
limbs would go out
further therefore
increasing the reflex distance between limbtip and handle.(sorta like a
lower case u
and a upper
case U,) NO, it aint reflexed into a "U" just tryin to explain why during
my brain fart it got
so deep a reflex
in it. It's a smooth flex, (no kinks or angles) Ya think since I'm looking
for medium
heavy poundage
some will pull out during tillering?? you know like when you work the bow
in as you
tiller??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: DRT
Date: 27-Jan-00
Lance I'm sure
some will come out during tiller cant tell you how much though depends
on
length,width,thickness
of limbs,weight of bow,moisture content,...and mostly the guy tillering
it.I have an
ironwood bow
that had a natural reflex in the handle area, has a slight gull wing look
to it. Sent Rusty an
ash stave with
a reflexed handle he says it made a nice bow. Hows that cyberbow coming
anyways?
Darren
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Mike-OK
Date: 27-Jan-00
John, the man
that has taught me all I know about Osage, and that's not much considering
I've only
been building
bows since 96, elected me to find him a piece of Osage the he could build
a static Osage
selfbow. I took
him 4 or 5 staves before we started on the bow. We took it down to a good
ring on the
back and took
it to floor tiller. The ends were left extra wide and a little thicker
than normal. We boiled
each tip for
30 minutes and took it right from the water to the bending jig. I worked
just like he said it
would. He has
found over the years just how much you can bend the tips and will go not
further. He
has stops and
all kinds of lines and clamps on his bending jig. It works like a charm.
We were aiming at
60lbs for the
bow and it came out 62lbs. I will try to get a photo of it with the digital
camera and post it.
It's a beauty.
It was sure interesting when we were tillering it. You just don't have
the limb length to
work with like
you would with a regular self bow with full straight limbs. That was the
hardest thing for
me. Good luck
with the bow. I will post as soon as I get the photo. Mike Norman, OK
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
DiRTy,
SSHH!! I'm tillerin...
JOHN,
Are you going
to like wrap sinew at the bends?? Or are they not going to be that extreme??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 27-Jan-00
Darren,
I wish it were
that straight. Those straight lines are actually just kerfs done w/ a circ.
saw to help me
split the thing.
Lance,
I'm not gonna
back it or wrap it. I've decided to be a man and play a little dangerous-hehehe.
Heck,
I've got plenty
of wood and can always get more. Lucky me!!!!!!
Haven't had a
chance to work on her today since I was stuck in an all day meeting including
a 2 hour
working lunch!!!!
Dontcha hate when work gets in the way of play?
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
So you're not
going to do anything other than just recurve the tips right?? OK.. I wanna
watch and
learn how to
do this so get to it...
One question..
when does it turn from a longbow to a recurve?? I mean how much bend do
you have to
put into it??
And how do you keep from pullin it out?? Is there a particular or different
way to tiller a
static tipped
bow??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 27-Jan-00
Lance, the old
way to tell was if the string only touched the tips it was considered a
straight end
longbow. If
the string touches the limb anywhere else, it's a recurve. But we've sorta
bent the rules
since that rule
was made up.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 27-Jan-00
I'm gonna recurve the last 4-5" at about a 40 degree angle. I think.....
I'll keep ya
up to date. Gotta build my form now.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 27-Jan-00
OKJ thnx Mickey...
But the reflex
I steamed into the riser of that first little bow I built pulled out. The
tip reflexes didn't, but
the riser back
set did... how do ya keep it from happening??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 27-Jan-00
40?... That aint no stinkin static. Crank it to 60.... ;-)
Whatever you do, test it with a piece of scrap first..
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: RonAL
Date: 27-Jan-00
John,
I've got a static
tip osage takedown that I made last summer. My mentors philosophy on static
tips is
make them thick
at the bend and narrow to the tips. Here's the measurements of my tips.
Thickness at the bend is 3/4 in. Width at the bend is 1/2 in.
Thickness at the tip is 5/16 in. Width at the tip is 3/8 in.
He says that by making the static curve thick and narrow you reduce weight/mass at the tips.
Makes a sweet shooting bow.
Ron Harris
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Richard Saffold
Date: 27-Jan-00
John, I am glad
you are steaming it-use that heat gun only if you have to straighten them
tips up. I like
to boil them
for a reallongggg time, and have that form right next to the where you
are boiling so you
can quickly
get the tip into the form. Will is right on- try a practice piece to see
how it bends, and bend
it to 60. You
are going through all this work them extra 20 deg. will more that be worth
it. It's a bit like
choreography;
the practice will make you more comfortable for the real thing.Can't wait
to see the pics.
Rich bent a few
myself Saffold
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: DRT
Date: 27-Jan-00
Lance need to
leave it thicker at the riser. Darren
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Rusty Craine
Date: 27-Jan-00
View Rusty Craine's Supporting Photo
It's gonna be
a osage sinew backed recurve. It's got 3" of reflex distributed along the
course fo the
limbs. Working
handle. I built a form to steam the whole bow then put in reflex and recurves
at the
same time. didn't
have enough hands. Now I do 'em one at a time.
Rusty
ps dang I hope
I remembered the name of the graphics
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Dale Holmstrom
Date: 28-Jan-00
John; You can
use steam and the heat gun when bending the recurves. Steam heat the tips
for an hour,
and if they
aren't really bending well, put the tip in the jig and get out the heat
gun. Apply heat evenly on
the curved area
while holding and applying some tension to the bow limb in the other hand.
You should
feel the wood
begin to "give". Keep applying heat until you reach your form. I'm a rookie
at
this(finishing
a sinew-backed yew right now), but it worked for me when my patience was
at its end
while steaming
the wood.
Dale .......
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 28-Jan-00
Rusty, really
good picture!!!John notice quality of picture he he he, that Rusty's becoming
quite the
bowyer, and
he's so prolific. Wish I had that kinda time...and talent.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 28-Jan-00
Ron, now you tell me :-) It's already down to 1/2" so we're going with that - OK! hehehe
Y'all notice
how just about everything I say is actually a question on this thread...thanks
for all the
answers.
Will; Richard, 60 degrees huh? That's a lot. Might split the difference :-)
Practice hell,
all this is practice. There ain't no game that I'm unaware of is there.
Sheese I'm getting
graded and didn't
even know it - kiddin of course!
Rusty, good pic. Gives me some ideas.
Mickey, I'm making
my form today at lunch (you'll get you bloody pictures) unless I decide
to go work
out - naaaa!
Keep the faith,
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Rusty Craine
Date: 28-Jan-00
View Rusty Craine's Supporting Photo
Ferret - heat up the glue pot, too dang cold for this weather wimp Rebal to venture out.
John - at least
with pecan that steel (but very bendable) strap has saved me from a lot
of picked growth
rings on the
belly. This is my first recurved osage too. So I'm not much help to ya.
Recurves adds a
little speed
to 'em pecans though. I kinda like 'em.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 28-Jan-00
Rusty, that bow
looks a lot like another osage static (sorta) that I made. It's 51" NTN,
bend in the
handle, 30 degree
tips for about 3" per tip. It still needs sinew but it'll scream when I'm
done w/ it. How
long is that
bow? I recurved mine mostly just to keep the string on.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 28-Jan-00
Dang Rusty..
Thats looks short... how long is it??
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Rusty Craine
Date: 28-Jan-00
Bow is 53&1/2"
tip to tip. As I recall Brad's pink death is just 52". I was tring to get
one in the speed
ball park of
his sreamer. He put four course of sinew on it but his osage base sure
seems thinner than
mine. If your
going for 65 to 70 # after sinew I wonder what ya want to start with?
Rusty
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 28-Jan-00
OK Rusty, you
make yours and I'll make mine. We'll have Brad bring Pink Death to MO and
we'll
have a shoot
off. I'm gonna put 3 thin courses of sinew on mine. Tips are gonna be super
narrow and
thick. 3/8"
wide X 1/2" thick tapering down to nothing. Shooting for 60#. This bow
is gonna test the
limits of sinew
and osage I hope :-) I ain't painting it pink though! Blue neither! :-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 28-Jan-00
John, I have the outline of my form. I'll get it scanned and email it..
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 28-Jan-00
Dale H, Its good to see you on here.. How are you doing?
email me sometime..
will@jsa.com
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: StrongDawg§
Date: 28-Jan-00
View StrongDawg§'s Supporting Photo
Brad Smiths' Lady of the flame...
AKA, BraD BoWs'
PinK DeaTH!!
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 28-Jan-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
I made up my
form. Go to the link for the pictures. Thanks Will!
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 28-Jan-00
John,
The only problem
you may have is not being able to apply the clamp to the static tip on
your form.. You
need to clamp
the tip down, or the wood won't bend as sharply as you want. At least thats
what
happend to me
the first time. Glad you could use the form outline.
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: WOODBOW
Date: 28-Jan-00
Hope I can keep
up with you guys. I am trying to build an osage recurve too. There is an
awful lot of
information
going on here, almost to much to collect during my lunch time. Let me know
when the
movie comes
out.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 28-Jan-00
Will, I'm not
clear on what you mean. Do you mean I should try to be able to clamp somewhere
along
the bend tight
to the form in addition to holding the unbent portion tight to it?
I put up some
shots of the shaped bow (?). It's a little snaky and I've got one knot
that had to stay in. It
was punky so
all we really had was a hole. I filled it in w/ sawdust and superglue.
See ya all next
week.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 28-Jan-00
John,
If you look at
my drawing. It shows the spots where I apply a clamp. I use three. 1. on
the static
recurve a few
inches above the bend. 2. After the bend. 3. 5" from the bend on the limb.
Thats just what seemed to work for me.
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 28-Jan-00
John, I think
Will means you have to clamp it like Rusty did in his supporting graphic
of 27-Jan-00 above
which shows
clamps banding and osage tip.If you don't clamp it, it won't dry that way,
will try and
straighten out.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Rusty Craine
Date: 28-Jan-00
View Rusty Craine's Supporting Photo
Ah Oh, John you
and the osage won this round. I had a pin cluster right in the apex of
that recurve. I
knew I was ask'n
for to much luck to get a curve there. I scarfed a patch over the problem,
canvas
backed the bow
and sinewed the patch. I put some tie on nocks on it an put it on the scale.
64#@26".
Gonna to let
it dry a bit more and final tiller it after I shoot it some.
I didn't want
to take a chance ruin'n that much sinew. It'll hold together with a canvas
back. Make a
nice shooter.....of
course I was wnata a fire breather. Next one :0)!
Rusty
PS thanks for
sharing your thread with me. I really enjoy your quests and have learn
a lot.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 29-Jan-00
Not so fast Rusty, check the page, I had a couple problems bending mine also.
I think I can
rasp them out since I left the thing so wide and they are on the edges
but I don't know yet.
Back later.
I didn't have
any trouble with the curves trying to come out...the form worked perfectly.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 29-Jan-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
I was able to
pretty much get rid of the problems, I think. I have plenty of wood left
1/2" wide X 1/2"
thick after
reasping and cleaning them up. I also tried to correct the misalignment
and got a little closer.
It seems I lost
a little recurve while doing so though. The photo is is the diagram Will
Mo sent me for
my form. As
you can see, I lost about 15 degrees of bend. I guess I should of held
the bend in while I
was realigning
them.. I need to know if I should try to get it back when I keep aligning
the tips??????
At least the
loss is even on both limbs.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: gunsmith mo.
Date: 29-Jan-00
that is about
where mine is at might need to go a littel more. loyd
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: RonAL
Date: 29-Jan-00
John,
Assuming you
haven't stressed the tips you will probably be OK to try to get some of
your bend back
into them. I
usually don't worry to much about aligning the tips until tillering is
finished and final shaping
of the tips
begin. Use dry heat when aligning the tips. If you steam them again you
will lose some of
your bend.
Ron
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Stephen H
Date: 29-Jan-00
I hope you guys
make it to Mobowjam this year so I can thank you in person for all I learn
on your
threads. For
now thanks a 1,000,000 Stephen H
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 29-Jan-00
I used a heat
gun to move the tips over. I'll take your advice Ron and leave them as
is until I've tillered
it unless I
decide to get some of the curve back.
Don't worry Stephen, I'll be there!
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 30-Jan-00
John, good stuff
as always. Keep us informed.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 31-Jan-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
Here she is in
current state. I've got her bending a little and am now seriously considering
sinew. I
heard a little
click when I first floor tillered her and this wood is so light. Might
have to lay down a
couple courses.
I have some processed for another bow. This one might just have to borrow
it though
:-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 31-Jan-00
John,
Your link is to the Torges bow, not the static...
To align the tips, I keep it in the form and use the heat gun.
The first time
I bent the tips, I didnt like the results so, I steamed them again and
did it over. NO
PROBLEM... I'd
steam it and try it again...
I will say that
aligning the tips is the biggest pain in the butt, however you will get
through it and love
these static
bows.
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 31-Jan-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
Oops!
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 31-Jan-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
I got a string
on it...drawn about an inch :-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 31-Jan-00
ouch.. That hinge
in the upper limb needs some tending to asap. More bend near the handle
and into the
dips if you
can.. Squeeze every inch of working limb out of her.
I take it you aren't going to rebend the limbs? It will still be a fine shooter anyway...
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 01-Feb-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
Got a couple
more photos up of it drawn a little. I'm working that lil' hinge out :-)
I'm getting to the point
where I need
to decide if I'm gonna go for this as is or put some sinew on it...?????
Oh these tough life
decisions. Here's
where she is now.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 01-Feb-00
John,
If your back
is clean, I wouldn't mess with Sinew. If there is some question, then maybe
one fine
course to hold
things together.. But then again, you never know..
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 01-Feb-00
John, what are
the differences you've noticed so far in the static and the straight end?
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 01-Feb-00
John, Be real
aware about that early draw weight. It feels like the bow is going to be
70 pounds, but
that flattens
out after the first 10 inches of draw. Keep a scale handy and measure that
thing often.
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 01-Feb-00
Mickey,
So far, the most
glaring difference is that you better have the string centered in the handle
or it'll flip on
ya. This one's
about between center and edge on the left side and I gotta grip it hard
to keep it from
twisting around.
Will,
Thanks. I can
already tell the difference at the little I'm pulling it. It feels great
when that string lifts off.
I'm pretty sure
I'm gonna back it.
A new friend,
Steve Russell, brought one of Bill McNeal's statics in to show me at lunch
time. Sinew
backed...very
cool looking. I'm gonna have to do it. Steve got it from Bill because he
was a poor
college student.
Hmmm, I'm a poor college employee, does that qualify???? The one thing
that
surprised me
was that it only had about 35 degrees of bend. I hope mine turns out as
nice. Bill gets
great speeds
out of his I hear. What did yours clock out at at MO, Will?
I'm really starting
to like this bow :-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 01-Feb-00
John,
According to those crazy results.. Mine had the following stats.
61.75" 45@27" 152fps .75 reflex Midlimb width of 1.5
I would had better
speed if I could have kept more reflex, made it a little more narrow and
shot while
running forward...
It shoots pretty
flat and I'm very happy with the results. Joe Mattingly has some real fast
Semi Static
bows. Stats
from one of his Semi-statics was as follows.
67.25" 57@28" 173fps Straight, no reflex 1.31" wide at midlimb.
Will
Hope this helps
you a little.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 02-Feb-00
I changed the
format of the page to hopefully make the changes in tiller show up a little
better. I'm still
wavering on
the sinew. Thought I'd at least tiller it to make sure the hinges and flats
were gone and
even up the
limbs. I'll decide on the sinew later :-)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 02-Feb-00
View John Scifres's Supporting Photo
Shoulda added
a link to Page 2
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 02-Feb-00
Dang John if
that's not the coolest way to post pictures yet. Glad one of us is smart
and the other's
good looking.
8~)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: pablo /MA
Date: 02-Feb-00
Ferret- if you
ever want to see how someone made an effect on a site, go to "view", then
"source". I
guess I just
gave away John's secrets ;o)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 02-Feb-00
Pablo, where's
that??? View then source??????By the way I asked you on another thread
how to
control the
size of a picture to be posted, but lost where I asked you and never got
the answer.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Will-MO
Date: 02-Feb-00
John,
Looking good.
The upper limb could probably bend more near the handle. Looks a little
stiff for the first
6-8 inches.
What does the
relaxed profile look like. How much reflex is still with it. Also, how
is the weight holding
up?
This is awesome..
Since I can't make anytime to get in the shop lately, this is the next
best thing..
Thanks John..
Will
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 02-Feb-00
Pablo, found
it View up in my toolbar then scroll down to source.ha ha ha it all looked
like Greek or
something except
for John's comments...sorry I asked 8~)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: pablo /MA
Date: 02-Feb-00
Ferret- I can't
remember where I responded either- To reduce file size when scanning, choose
a lower
dpi, or resolution.
To reduce an already scanned (or digital cam picture)
Open it in MS
Photo Editor (probably came free with PC). Other programs may work similarly.
Go to
"file"- "save
as". Choose a new file name and a location- go to the "more" button at
the bottom of the
box. Choose
a "jpg quality factor"- the lower the quality, the lower the res/size.
Choose OK, then close
the program.
Check the size
in the folder that you saved it to, and open it there (you closed it so
that it would be the
new version
when re-opened) to see if it looks OK. If not , reopen the original, go
through the
procedure, and
choose a different quality factor.
If you have a
different photo editor, just go to "help" and search for "resolution" or
changing resolution
or something.
there may also be a resolution option on one of the tabs.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 02-Feb-00
Ferret,
Thanks! Sometimes I even amaze myself :-)
What Paul means
is that you can see the actual HTML coding for any webpage by going to
the "View"
menu (at the
top of your page) in Netscape or IE and then choose "Page Source" in Netscape
or
"Source" in
IE and see it. It's very confusing even to me. I just use Netscape's Composer
to make my
websites...much
easier. All I did for the Static page was put them into a table. Kinda
neat how it looks
almost like
you can watch the effect of tiller change though (if I can hold the bow
straight).
If you want to
resize a picture, you need some kind of software that'll do it. I use Microsoft
Image
Composer and
the software that came w/ my cameras called Kodak Photoenhancer. There
are a lot of
them. There
are even some shareware or free ware versions you can download from the
web. If you
ever want a
picture resized, just email it to me and I'll do it for ya...free even
:-)
Will-MO,
Glad I can help.
I had my two li'l ones helping me with this bow this weekend. Emily, my
4 yo, really
loved watching
the sawdust roll off the bow. She got so into it that she picked up "Ole
Nasty" my
meanass rasp
and got to work on the back while I was preoccupied with hitting my line
to make
thickness. I
caught her quick enough that there was no serious damage but it did leave
a mark or two
:-) James, 2
yo, just kept catching his forehead on the tip when he walked by. Good
thing I got two so I
can blame the
scars on the other one. Works for farts too when the dog ain't around :-)
It's showing
some set...1"??? Hard to tell w/ the curves. I never did induce any reflex
in it. Might pay
for that with
some speed but I can always do it if I sinew it. I waffling like hell on
doing that ain't I.
Keep the faith,
John
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: The Ferret
Date: 02-Feb-00
Hey John, I thought
it was particularly neat how you changed the sleeve colors on your bow
arm 3 or 4
times in about
1 1/2 hours. You been watching the hosts at those award shows on TV or
something 8~)
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Buz
Date: 02-Feb-00
I noticed that, too, Ferret. Musta been a food fight at lunch. :-)
I'm really enjoying what your doing too, John. Thanks for sharing.
Composer does
all that, huh? I wish I wasn't so sick an' tired of computers by the time
I get home at
night.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: Richard Saffold
Date: 02-Feb-00
John, Nice sequence
of pictures, I don't know how much farther you have gotten.You might want
to
make the top
limb the bottom limb because of how the lower limb was hinging in those
pictures. I don't
know if your
lower limb is shorter or not, but the stress on the lower limbs is higher
than the upper
especially on
short recurve types. I mention this because I think it will improve your
chances of success
with your bow.
i will be looking for your next thread. keep it up-you are doing good!
rich.
Subject: RE: Hunting A Static Osage Bow
From: John Scifres
Date: 03-Feb-00
Mickey/Buz,
Didn't y'all
know I moonlight during lunch not only as a bowyer but also in a very old
trade that requires
lots of clothing
changes. Whaddya think I had those rubber gloves on for earlier in the
page :-) Safe
bowyery, that's
what I say!
Richard,
I guess I see
what you mean about the hinge in the lower limb but it's not really there
or at least not as
bad as it appears.
There is a huge knot right where it looks like it's hinging. It is a little
flat right at the
handle also
and I'm working on that next. The top limb is 1.5" longer so i can't flip
it.
Thanks,
John
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a Static Recurve for the rest of the story.